01 June 2009 @ 04:18 pm
A Question of Fidelity: A Torchwood Explanation  
A friend writes and asks me why I prefer Jack/Ianto over Jack/Gwen. I've really thought about it because the idea of  "shipping" -- well, let's just say I found fandom by doing a random search in Google looking for information about the series. Slash --what's that? But from the beginning, I was fascinated by the Jack/Ianto dynamic.

Partly it has to do with the two actors playing beautifully off each other. Let's face it, John Barrowman ain't never going to win an Oscar (although God knows weirder things have happened on Oscar night!), and Gareth David-Lloyd shows promise but hasn't really earned his chops yet. BUT... when they are together, they are believable. They are open to each other, and they trust each other (the convention pics prove it, I think), and so make us believe in the characters' vulnerability to each other. They have created two beautiful, damaged people coping the best they can, and maybe falling for each other in the process. It just happened that it's two men, rather than a man and a woman. I don't get anywhere near a similar vibe from John and Eve. They work well together but the vibe between them has a certain degree of distance. The way they play Jack and Gwen, to paraphrase another fictional alien, "the having would not be nearly as satisfying as the wanting."

Partly it has to do with my "read" of Jack Harkness. When you first meet Jack, he's a conman and an intergalactic slut, and he makes no bones about it. But in his own way he has limits. You get the feeling that he would never have tried to come between the Doctor and Rose -- he loves and respects them both. Although he would be happy to jump into bed with either one, he wouldn't do it in a way that would hurt the other. In fact, his ideal would be jumping into bed with both of them. Jack may carve notches on his bedpost, but he does it honestly. And when Jack looks at Gwen, he also sees Rhys. And he sees Ianto, and he loves Ianto, and he knows how Ianto would feel. It's not that he's not tempted -- he's JACK -- but he sees the damage he can do to people he cares about. So he doesn't.

But mostly it has to do with my feelings about infidelity. NO. Sorry, NO. Hell, NO. I have never been able to understand those doomed passionate illicit affairs. If you love someone so madly that you would violate your marriage vows for him -- walk away. Honestly. If you look around and decide that, even though you love that someone, you would rather stay in your current relationship, then stay. Honestly. Don't try to have it both ways. I had issues about Gwen's affair with Owen, but I could understand it; and you get the feeling that it was a quick madness and it passed and she faced herself and chose. If she were to betray Rhys (her husband) and Ianto (a good friend and colleague) by carrying on with Jack, she would become something ugly. 
 
Of course, since this is all fiction, your mileage may vary. Jack can be interpreted in a thousand different ways. You may feel differently about romantic love. You may believe in Madame Bovary. Me, she made me tired.
edited several times to try and make sense of it -- which means it probably doesn't.
 
 
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ext_41651[identity profile] fide-et-spe.livejournal.com on June 4th, 2009 08:23 pm (UTC)
Hey thanks for this, I can't believe I clearly missed the 7th chapter and this! Anyhow just to say it is exactly right. I find the Jack/Gwen scenes embarrassing, to the extent where I have to look away in that engagement ring scene, it is painful. Yet as you say both act so well with their screen partners and have proper chemistry with them. I think chemistry really can't be forced, and with JB and GDL, I noticed it in the very first ep. It peaked my interest, I saw nothing in the J/G interactions, but J/I as little as it was in that ep, I thought "Ah here is the UST" and noticed that online forums were buzzing about them immediately.

Also I do have the issue that if the leading man had gotten off with the leading lady I think it may have been a bit of a betrayal. I know a lot of gay men who watch, and absolutely love the J/I and the way it is portrayed is very important to them. None of my gay friends are fannish types at all, they simply love Torchwood. I have noticed some homophobia in comments from those who don't like the pairing and there is a very nice meta on that, by Crabby Lioness, where she identifies double standards and this view by some fans that the M/M relationship is sex only, whilst Jack waits for "the right woman"

I agree with your take on Jack, I think he has pushed Gwen toward Rhys from the first ep. I think your read of him is pretty accurate.

Anyhow sorry for writing a meta in comment to your meta! Off to read chapter 8 of your wonderful fairy fic.
[identity profile] merucha.livejournal.com on June 5th, 2009 12:14 am (UTC)
Commentary always welcome! One of the things I noticed at first was how many very young girls identified with Gwen, and felt somehow betrayed when the romantic interest turned out to be Ianto... and as far as the homophobia I am always surprised by it -- for crying out loud the first time you meet Jack he's bopping an officer of Her Majesty's army! And he is obviously in love with both the Doctor and Rose! How they can dismiss that for a fantasy about "the right woman" reveals a great talent for ignoring the evidence of their own eyes...

Edited 2009-06-05 12:14 am (UTC)
ext_41651[identity profile] fide-et-spe.livejournal.com on June 5th, 2009 05:51 pm (UTC)
Oh yes I think they see Jack as shagging men, it's just that idea of romantic love being between a man and a woman that I think comes to play. I think if both J/I were gay, it wouldn't be an issue and people would see it as a "proper" relationship, but the bisexual thing is often seen as the guy shagging men until he settles down with a woman, which unfortunately is often the case, but not because that's natural, much more because of societal pressure, whereby the the advantages to the man of settling down with a woman/having children win out in the end. The writers don't help at all, with the sentimental side of Jack being about Estelle, and his wife. (Not to mention the further back story we are getting in S3) then he refers to boyfriends when telling sex stories.