This is a very personal rant. You don't have to read it!
I have not seen the "official" episode yet (BBCAmerica shows it tonight) but I have seen enough to know that, as usual, it will leave a bitter aftertaste. The Jack part of the "goodbye" could not have been more dismissive and contemptous if RTD had thought it out for a month of Sundays. So the Doctor breaks all sort of rules in order to say goodbye to his Companions (not crossing your own timeline, anyone?), but all he can do for Jack is to find him a new fucktoy?
Look. In spite of some of the things I write, I am far beyond the age of stupid romanticism. I understand that an immortal man with an mortal lover will at some point move on -- it doesn't make sense for him not to unless he's a walking nervous breakdown for all eternity. But the way it was done in this instance made me realize that for RTD (and by extension, the Doctor) Jack was a throwaway person. The Companion that sacrificed the most for the Doctor is treated like crap.
All RTD had to do was simply have the Doctor walk up to Jack at the bar and say "you have been doing this for too long, Jack. It's time to live again." It would have given me the impression that Jack had actually grieved for his losses and that the Doctor respected that. Instead you get the implication that only a few months have passed, but that the Doctor thinks so little of Jack that he thinks all Jack needs to do to heal is forget about Ianto and his grandson and the betrayal by the Doctor who couldn't be bothered to get off his arse and try to help him, and move on to another pretty face. Hey, fucktoys are exchangeable, right?
Barrowman does the best he can, bless him. The look of confusion and the tentative way he starts to flirt -- almost like, all right, practice run here, what am I doing? makes me think he understood how bad it could be perceived. But it can't salvage the scene.
I have seen some comments about how wonderful it is that Jack has moved on, and I fully expect to be seeing Jack/Alonso fiction soon. In fact, I think most of the fandom will move on, leaving a small group of dedicated Jack/Ianto fans behind. And I suppose it's the nature of the beast, and it's all right. As for me, well, I write these stories for myself, and whoever wants to read them.
Because, to paraphrase Ianto in CoE, for me, it was never about two men. It was about Jack and Ianto. It was about them. It's always about them.
The sad part is that I'm afraid to watch the next DW. I'm afraid of wanting too much or maybe that it will be too different and too strange. All the characters I know and loved are gone. There will be no continuity. There can't be, not after this. The Who Universe that had dragged me back into fandom after twenty years is gone. I will watch Doctor Who, and will find many things to love about it, but at bottom it will be a melancholy exercise.
And Doctor Who had always been about joy and adventure before.
Emma's World - End of Tennant, Pt 2 (There are spoilers here!)
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02 January 2010 @ 12:46 pm
End of Tennant, Pt 2 (There are spoilers here!)
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Jumping in late, when Jack first showed up and started flirting with Rose, I saw the Doctor's reaction of pure jealousy. Rose had to look up to him with bright shining eyes, not Jack.
And Jack's reaction to the Doctor at the very end, his expression didn't change at all when he saw the Doctor. It's like, the Doctor didn't matter to Jack anymore. Jack gave up everything and the Doctor expects him to jump when he shows up. Well, not anymore. Each time before, Jack jumped, smiled and accepted the treatment from the Doctor. This time, nothing and the Doctor didn't have enough guts to go up to Jack. Anything that the Doctor could have offered to Jack would have meant nothing but maybe somebody else could.
In my brain, I'm seeing at least 100 years since Jack is living the slow life and not time-traveling. Alonso looks like he just survived the Titanic and he was taken back to his time frame.
I liked Alonso but I see him more as a friend than a love interest for Jack. I've only seen the scene once and need to find it on youtube to hear what was actually said. It was Jack flirting comments but he didn't seem be be flirting.
And Jack's reaction to the Doctor at the very end, his expression didn't change at all when he saw the Doctor. It's like, the Doctor didn't matter to Jack anymore. Jack gave up everything and the Doctor expects him to jump when he shows up. Well, not anymore. Each time before, Jack jumped, smiled and accepted the treatment from the Doctor. This time, nothing and the Doctor didn't have enough guts to go up to Jack. Anything that the Doctor could have offered to Jack would have meant nothing but maybe somebody else could.
In my brain, I'm seeing at least 100 years since Jack is living the slow life and not time-traveling. Alonso looks like he just survived the Titanic and he was taken back to his time frame.
I liked Alonso but I see him more as a friend than a love interest for Jack. I've only seen the scene once and need to find it on youtube to hear what was actually said. It was Jack flirting comments but he didn't seem be be flirting.
I agree with you to some extent. Barrowman played it just right. A little confused, a little wary, a little I think I've forgotten how to go about this. But I don't think it meant the Doctor didn't mean anything to Jack; the salute told us exactly how much he still does. But Jack always seems to forgive the Doctor and that's kind of endearing IMO.
The problem was that I didn't get any sense of time passing, and it would have been so easy to do: take Jack out of uniform and back into a leather jacket; have the Doctor walk up to him and say you can't do this anymore, it's been years and you need to move on. ANYTHING. I didn't get that. I'm glad you did, and as always, in looking at these things, mileage varies.
I like Alonso and I think he would be a perfect boyfriend for Jack if it turns out that it happens; I just didn't like the way it was done. You don't forget someone you love in a few months and "move on". Especially someone who died because you fucked up, or at least that is how you see it.
The problem was that I didn't get any sense of time passing, and it would have been so easy to do: take Jack out of uniform and back into a leather jacket; have the Doctor walk up to him and say you can't do this anymore, it's been years and you need to move on. ANYTHING. I didn't get that. I'm glad you did, and as always, in looking at these things, mileage varies.
I like Alonso and I think he would be a perfect boyfriend for Jack if it turns out that it happens; I just didn't like the way it was done. You don't forget someone you love in a few months and "move on". Especially someone who died because you fucked up, or at least that is how you see it.
I found the clip and re-watched the scene. I forgot or missed the salute to the Doctor. The Doctor does mean something to Jack.
I think keeping Jack in the RAF coat was a bit of laziness on the writer's part. 'If we keep Jack in the coat, viewers will recognize him faster. If we put Jack in a leather jacket, viewers might not recognize him' Or if you wanted to give them credit for over-thinking, keeping Jack in the coat will show viewers that Jack hasn't moved on but now that Alonso is here, Jack will be able to move on and get rid of the coat.
I'm over-thinking this bit way too much. *grins*
I think keeping Jack in the RAF coat was a bit of laziness on the writer's part. 'If we keep Jack in the coat, viewers will recognize him faster. If we put Jack in a leather jacket, viewers might not recognize him' Or if you wanted to give them credit for over-thinking, keeping Jack in the coat will show viewers that Jack hasn't moved on but now that Alonso is here, Jack will be able to move on and get rid of the coat.
I'm over-thinking this bit way too much. *grins*
Probably we all are! Honestly, I've come to the conclusion that it doesn't matter. Whether deliberate meanness on RTD's part or lazyness it doesn't matter at all. My Ianto is still mine and so is my Jack, and in my world CoE and EoT never happened. Or if they did, things turned out a whole lot different.
LOL! My world, Owen and Tosh never died and COE means Chocolate over Everything. *grins*